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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

joey jojo

Though it helps to supply us with the date for the Exile, it is pretty much an boring piece of rock that nobody but Jehovah's Witnesses worry about these days.

Yes, but it is a smoking gun that casually disassembles the whole 607 - 1914 doctrine of the WT. The deceit they employ to try to discredit vat4956 is shameful.

In their article - When was Jerusalem destroyed? (2011), they mention planets but do not cite what the tablets say about them, choosing to focus on the moon eclipses, which are prone to error and mis-interpretation.

Using a program like Sky View Cafe , anyone can see for themselves what the unidentified Babylonian observer saw in the night sky in the year 567 BCE.

https://skyviewcafe.com/

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

joey jojo

The direction a planet is moving (prograde or retrograde) is really not significant when discussing this subject. Their position at a certain time - like a snapshot is far more important.

Knowing Mercury's position is enough- it doesnt matter which direction its going in the night sky.

Whether the exact position of Saturn was a bit in front, or a bit behind the swallow is also unimportant. The fact that it is close is enough. It is only in that part of the sky once every 29.4 years.

In 588 , Saturn wasnt anywhere near the swallow. This stuff is not hard to understand.

JW's seem to be the only group determined to question the credibility and squeeze out answers from VAT 4956 that just arent there.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

joey jojo

Luckily for us, Saturn was visible in the night sky when the observations were taken. If the position of Saturn is verified for 567, relative to a constellation, it will be 29.4 years before it is back in the same place. That means that Saturn couldn't have been anywhere near the same place 20 years previously in 588. This evidence alone is really all we need.

Trying to prove years based on eclipses is nothing more than a biased attempt to obfuscate and misdirect.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

joey jojo

This topic has been discussed here a lot. The great thing about the astronomical observations on the tablet is that they dont have to be perfect to be accurate.

Conjuctions of planets in approximate relative positions to each other and to constellations are enough to establish a year. Simliar conjuctions may be hundreds or thousands of years apart. Anyone, or organisation like the wt, that emphasises eclipses, in relation to this topic, is purposely ignoring the superior evidence of planetary conjunctions.

Ive read apologists arguing over the position of a planet to a degree or 2 and missing the entire point. The observer is describing celestial positions by holding out his arm and counting finger-breadths, its never going to be 100% accurate- but it doesnt need to be.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

joey jojo

In my astronomy program however, it doesn't have a year zero, so I researched year 511 BC. And seen enough to know that it was a match to the Tablet VAT4956.

I would be really interested to know exactly what you believe matched VAT4956 in 511 BC. Because the planets definitely would not have matched.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

joey jojo

KalebOutWest
Our culture is impotant to us. The music, food, dress, languages, holidays and myths and just some of the ways we celebrate our identity as a people.
It isn't slavery to celebrate your culture.

I understand there are a lot of jews that dont necessarily believe in god and yet are still proudly jewish and may follow some customs or none at all. However, around 90% of jews are circumcised. Why is that? Is that not a direct result of a commandment from god that is expected to be followed by every jewish family? I would argue that it is a religious ritual that has enslaved generations.

From what I understand, the passover and festival of tabernacles may have been observed before the torah as harvest festivals. Harvest festivals were universally celebrated among early humanity and are not unique to the jewish culture.

What I am referring to by 'enslaved' is any ritual with a religious origin that obligates a person to do a certain thing at a certain time. If the torah is 'mainly illustrative', then why bother with any of it? If its culture and tradition that dictates these observances, where did that tradition start? Most traditions observed by modern jews seem to have religious beginnings and are therefore commands, not lifestyle choices.

What Im trying to say is that if god doesnt exist to many jews, or may exist, why follow any jewish rituals if most of them originate with the torah and are religious commands given by god - who many jews dont believe is real?

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

joey jojo

Kaleb, I don't profess to be an expert on anything, let alone Judaism. However, I'm usually left a little confused after reading how some Jewish people explain their faith.

For example, after reading your last post I dont know whether you believe there is a god or whether you believe the bible- you said that Jews don't take it literally. What does that mean exactly? If they don't take it literally, or you 'dont obey or believe blindly', why are so many jews enslaved to countless biblical obligations like the sabbath?

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

joey jojo

I agree, of course we have a culpability, a moral obligation to try to improve the world. Looking to the OT for guidance is not the answer.

Humans have completely destroyed the earth by following this command:

Gen 1:28- God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

In 2024, it is estimated that 96% of land mammals consist only of humans, our pets and domesticated animals, like pigs, horses, cattle, sheep. Only 4% of the remaining mammals are 'wild'. Something like 70% of all birds are chickens.

Of the available land on earth, 40% is under cultivation, meaning, instead of biodiversity, massive land areas contain just a single sterile crop. That crop is produced by ensuring that nothing else can grow where it is growing by using herbicides and pesticides. Land used for farming automatically displaces animals that once lived there. Pollution caused by farming practises is well documented.

So, the result of following gods command in genesis has been to cause mass extinctions except for the animals that are useful, or tasty.

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

joey jojo

A few online sources say Passover is calculated 14 days from the new moon closest to the equinox, not after it. Some others say it's the first full moon after the equinox- which is almost the same thing.

The closest new moon to the march equinox is March 10. So 14 days from then is March 24.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

joey jojo

Threats like the one in Leviticus, tap into the fears of members of early civilisations. Famine, attacks by wild animals, natural disasters, disease etc, were real fears, just like they are today, except we understand the cause wasn't angry, displeased spirits.

A society that believed they lived and died at the whim of god(s) bred radical, superstitious behaviour with barbarous punishments, which we have inherited. Those behaviours are hard to shake off.

Something like disfellowshipping is directly related to these early beliefs.